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Generale => Generale => Topic aperto da: Sjones_1 - 03 Febbraio, 2014, 12:16:04
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Hello Everyone,
I wanted to introduce myself. My name is Sam Jones. Firstly, I wanted to apologise for not speaking Italian. I thought it was better to write in English rather than attempting to use google translate. I hope that it is ok.
I am British but recently moved to Lausanne, Switzerland for work. I am a keen fish breeder, including Betta, Killfish, angelfish and much more. I recently had to sell all my fish due to the move but once settled here I want to start a few small breeding projects. As I now live much closer to Italy I thought it would be a good idea for me to sign up to the forum, with much help from Roberto (THANK YOU!).
When I was younger I used to work at my local fish shop and was an active member of the British Killifish Assocaition (BKA) and have kept a number of different Killi species in the past. My favourites are the Nothobranchius.
Just so you all know a bit more about me and the Killifish I have kept here is a list of the most of the species I have kept and bred in the past:
N. Eggersi
N. foerschi
N. korthausae
N. symoensi
F. gardneri gardneri
F. scheeli scheeli (my first killi)
Rivulus rubrolineatus
Rachovia hummelincki
Cynolebias whitei
Aphyosemion austral (Gold and Chocolate)
Aplocheilus lineatus
I joined the forum as I am looking for reliable sources of Killifish and Killifish eggs. Mainly Austrolebias or Simpsonichthys and some non-annuals like Fundulopanchax or Epiplatys that could tolerate some cooler temperatures for a cooler water system I am planning. I am also looking for Notho species/eggs especially rachovii or eggersi.
Any help the members of the AIK can provide me would be greatly appreciated. I am also hopeful that I can become involved in some discussions and provide information on some of the species I have kept in the past, to any one that is interested.
Thank you,
Sam
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Hi Sam,
even if I am pretty new in this forum (and with Killis at all), i want to say welcome.
I'm actually Italian but I live in Germany since I was little. So my Italian isn't good as well :D
The guys in this forum are great and I think you did well to register here.
regards,
Renato
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Ciao Sam come va? scrivo in italiano perché sono scarso in inglese, magari Renato o Roberto tradurranno. Ci siamo conosciuti... meglio dire presentati qualche anno a Ferrara alla convention aik.. Ti ricordi la coppia di C. poliaki Monea?
Quest'anno ci verrai a trovare alla convention?
Per le uova dovrei avere qualcosina di N. Kilomberoensis se ti può interessare.
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Per chi non lo conosce Sam dovete sapere che è un mostro sacro dei killi, in particolare dei non annuali, nella raccolta delle uova è imbattibile, perciò approfittatene se avete domandedubbi perplessità
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Grazie a Renato che ha tradotto
Ciao Sam come va? scrivo in italiano perché sono scarso in inglese, magari Renato o Roberto tradurranno. Ci siamo conosciuti... meglio dire presentati qualche anno a Ferrara alla convention aik.. Ti ricordi la coppia di C. poliaki Monea?
Quest'anno ci verrai a trovare alla convention?
Per le uova dovrei avere qualcosina di N. Kilomberoensis se ti può interessare.
Hi Sam,
how are you? I write in Italian because my English isn't good, may Renato or Roberto will translate this. We met time ago at the AIK Convention in Ferrara. You remember? The couple of C. poliaki Monea?
regarding the eggs, I think i have something of N. Kilomberoensis if you are interested.
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Thank you for the warm welcome.
Filippo, I think possibly you have me confused with someone else. I don't think I have attended an AIK convention before. I do have a lot of experience with many different types of killifish and especially with the breeding and raising of fry and I would be very happy to help with anyone's problems etc. Sorry I am not who you thought I am. Thank you very much for the offer of some eggs. What is the calculated wet date? I am very interested but would probably not be able to take any eggs just yet.
I still have not set up any tanks (only moved in January) and have no BBs eggs or other live foods ready. I want to make sure I am ready for any fry I hatch as I am going to try and increase my fry growth rates. I moved away from killis to breed show betta and learned a lot about the raising of fry. I now want to try these new tricks to the raising of killifish. I'm hoping to find some eggs that could be wet towards the end of Feb/beginning of March.
Shall I post a new topic in the "market place" asking for eggs or fish?
Sam
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Sam,
what are "BBs" ?
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BBS baby brine shrimps artemia nauplii.
I got a message from Filippo. He apologize for mistake and ask you Sam to firgive him.
Maybe you could ask for more eggs. Just joking :-D :-D
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Hey,
Sorry.
BBS eggs are baby brine shrimp eggs (artemia). I used to get them from a friend of mine who ran a dry goods business but he's moved to Malta and the business is temporarily offline. Thinking of getting them through ebay now.
Sam
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Roberto/Filippo, it is absolutely fine. I have met a lot of people in my time keeping fish and I am always confusing people and forgetting names. Hopefully we will get to meet at some point in the future and I can make as good an impression as the person I was confused with.
Sam
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Thank you both for the translation, i use chinese artemia eggs, they are cheap and works fine for me.
Even if i don't breed them with airpumps.
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I would be very interested how you hatch them without air pumps? And how many you are able to produce per batch?
Thanks,
Sam
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well, i use this cups (http://www.dohse-aquaristik.de/de/p/21700/Artemia-Aufzuchtschale) to breed them. I have always 2 cups in function so i get fresh BBS (i learn fast huh? ;D) every day.
I love this cups because they are silent and you can take the nauplii totaly clean without any eggs or eggshells.
It works very well for me.
Obviously the quantity depends from the quantity of eggs you put in. I never compared if there would be a better rate using the traditional incubator with the same quantity of eggs but the pro's i already mentioned are pretty important for me. I hate all that work to separate the eggs from the nauplii using light/filters etc.
there is an english version (http://www.dohse-aquaristik.de/en/p/21700/Artemia-Aufzuchtschale) too ;)
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I have seen this type of hatchery before but always used air powered hatchets that I make myself. Can you get enough BBS to feed a large batch of fry? Or do you have to incorporate other live foods, such as microworms?
The quieter my new breeding set-ups the better but I'm not sure I'd get enough BBS using this method. Would be helpful to hear your experiences.
Sam
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I agree with Sam. This kind of device doesn't produce enough hatch for large number of fry or species.
I've try it in the past but with poor result. The best way to obtain good amount of BBS is place a bubbling bottle in a styrofoam box with 24 hours light inside (say 2 watts lamp) that increase the temperarure inside the box (around 28 °C but also 30 °C is good). The styrofoam box is also useful to reduce the bubbling noise ;) other than maintain the right temp.
Ps:
To Reanto. Try to put a small airstone (connected to air pump obvioulsly) inside and see the production increase.
Traduzione:
Sono d'accordo con Sam. Questi dispositivi non riescono a fornire un gran numero di nauplii nel caso un buon numero di avanntti o di specie. Il modo migliore per ottenere i risultati desiderati è tramite l'utlizzo di un box di polistirolo con una bottglia, un areatore e con una lampada di 2 - 3 watt all'interno accesa 24 ore su 24. La lampada accresce la temperatura all'interno sino a 28 - 30 °C (ottimale per la schiusa) e il box di polistirolo riduce al minimo il rumore delle bolle e dell'areatore.
PS
Per Renato. Prova a mettere una pietra porosa (collegata all'areatore ovviamente) all'inteno dello schiuditoio e vedrai che la resa aumenta.
Poka
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Actually i have 41 a.bellotti and kind of 6 or 7 Fundulopanchax wich gets BBs two or three times a day. For me it's enough and if i need more BBs, i will put more eggs in it.
Obviously i add a small amount of microworms but just the tip o a knife in each tank to have a little variation for the fishes.
Well, i'm new to Killi's but i hatch artemia for a few years till now and i obviously tried to improve this method. For instance, I add eggs every evening even if the "running" hatch two times to extend the time that I get fresh BBs, I alternate the two breeders, so that one is already one or two days old while the other one is filled up right now, i add half a spoon of natron, the breeders are near the heater etc. etc.
I'm pretty happy with it and i will continue to use this system, without blubber, without brumming airpumps and without current at all.
Roberto, adding air to the breeder can work, i already tried this in the past, (there is a hole in the ledge where you can put a tube) but a lot of swimming eggs and eggshells got in the sieve so i stopped this.
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Actually i have 41 a.bellotti and kind of 6 or 7 Fundulopanchax wich gets BBs two or three times a day. For me it's enough and if i need more BBs, i will put more eggs in it.
Obviously i add a small amount of microworms but just the tip o a knife in each tank to have a little variation for the fishes.
Well, i'm new to Killi's but i hatch artemia for a few years till now and i obviously tried to improve this method. For instance, I add eggs every evening even if the "running" hatch two times to extend the time that I get fresh BBs, I alternate the two breeders, so that one is already one or two days old while the other one is filled up right now, i add half a spoon of natron, the breeders are near the heater etc. etc.
I'm pretty happy with it and i will continue to use this system, without blubber, without brumming airpumps and without current at all.
Roberto, adding air to the breeder can work, i already tried this in the past, (there is a hole in the ledge where you can put a tube) but a lot of swimming eggs and eggshells got in the sieve so i stopped this.
Traduzione:
In questo Momento ho 41 A.bellotti e 6 o 7 Fundulopanchax che ricevono Artemia 2 or 3 volte al dí.
Per me sono abbastanza Artemia e se ne ho bisognio, aumento la quantità delle Uova che metto nello schiuditoio. Ovviamente aggiungo anche una punta di coltello di Microworms ma piú per far' avere una varietà nel cibo dei pesci.
Sono principiante con i Killi ma le Artemie le schiudo da qualche anno (4 o 5) in questo modo e sempre con attenzione a perfezionare il metodo.P.E. aggiungo uova ogni sera per 2 volte dopo aver messo su lo schiuditoio per avere artemie fresche ogni giorno, alterno gli due schiuditoi in modo che uno é gia in funzione di un giorno prima che metto l'altro, aggiungo mezzo cucchiaino di bicarbonato di sodio, gli schiuditoi stanno vivino ad un termosifone, etc etc.
Sono abbastanza contento con questo metodo e continueró a schiudere le artemie in questo modo, senza il rumuore delle bolle, senza pompe d'aria e senza corrente.
Roberto, puó funzionare, ho giá provato in passato ma molte uova e gusci di uova vanno a finire nel setaccio, visto che l'acqua viene mossa..
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This sounds interesting. Have you ever thought about posting a thread on how you use this device to feed your fry. It seems you've learned a lot of tricks that could help others, especially if you include pictures of how many eggs you add and how often.
Sam
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Sure, i can make some pictures on the next "round", today i have to set up a new one so i can do it if you like.
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Yeah, not just for me but also I think others that have seen but never used this system might benefit from a little "review" from an experienced user. I am interested as I would like to have a set-up in my office for raising fry but it's very quiet and an air pump might not be welcomed.
Sam
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Hi Sam,
I'm about to make pictures, so prepare for a review soon ;)
It should be a good thing for you office..
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Sam,
have a look here (http://www.aik.it/forum/index.php?topic=513.msg6864#new)